Belzebuub

Questions and Answers

Belzebuub: (After the walk): So, how did the walk go?

Q: I definitely wanted it more than usual, because I made a clearer goal before going out there. It seems that I didn't accomplish what I wanted to, no matter how much I did want to. But it's a matter to get something to turn something on. Parts of the walk were obviously better, but it's really hard to be consistent.

Belzebuub: Why were parts of the walk better?

Q: I can't really describe it so well, but it feels like I either 'turn it on' and something turns it off - like turning something on. So it's kind of like I'm fighting to be passive in a way, like I'm fighting to be, to like take things on, or to just open up to things and then it just turns off and then I try to 'turn it on' again, but there's like a state that's underneath all the time. So it's never, it's never 100% clear. So if that state is there at all it keeps it from being consistent I think.

Belzebuub: And what's the state you're talking about?

Q: Just like a general fog. It's not something I can necessarily put my finger on as negativity or laziness or something; it's just like a haziness. So as long as that was there, it would just take over at times. And then I'd 'turn it on' with a bit less enthusiasm I suppose.

Belzebuub: Alright, anybody else?

Q: For me there were a lot of problems and I was trying to fight back but it just goes so deep. You get something and there's something under it and under it, it just keeps coming back, on and on, and every little thing will trigger so much. Just attack you so hard...

Belzebuub: Why is it then so difficult to do, to find? What's needed?

Q: A centre of gravity?

Belzebuub: What does that mean?

Q: Gearing everything towards peace, some goal?

Belzebuub: Well, what's happened then? Why isn't it that you just go for a walk and there it is? What happened?

Q: Too much complication that I can't seem to get rid of. Like it's not simple enough. What I want to do is simple, but it's always complicated to some extent.

Q: I find that I'm just deceived, very easily. So I can get into a state that's more clear, then the ego will throw up, first there will be an appreciation of that, like 'oh I'm clear' and then the ego will throw every kind of negative experience possible before me like, 'do you really think this is you' and  the conflict will return. And it's kind of getting free of that, just that I guess a doubt perhaps, that this is the way my life should be, the doubt of being free of all that.

Belzebuub: So what would be the solution to that?

Q: I'm trying to figure it out. It's difficult.

Q: Keep renewing the peace, the appreciation of the moment. I found when I, the moments of clarity I had, I was appreciating myself, life, and what was around me, in simplicity or whatever I saw. But, I found it hard to keep coming back to that every moment; I only could have moments of it.

Q: When I think of how to get out of it, it makes it a bit more complicated because I start...well I am saying 'when I think about it', because it does become a matter of thinking about it. Because it seems you have to be active to find a solution, but knowing that or even just considering that idea complicates it even further. So that's why I said I try to be, it's like I'm fighting to be passive, just walk.

Belzebuub: I'm sure if we were to get into all the complicated ways of the mind, we would be in an entanglement to try to find peace, and we would be completely lost.

As you can see, it's not something that has become clear from whatever it is that you have been doing before now. If what had been doing was correct, in terms of the psychological work, you would be able to then do what you needed to do to find peace. So, psychologically, it's not up to the mark - it's not up scratch as they say. Psychologically, it's not good enough. If you want to have peace, that standard is too low.

Everybody is fighting for pleasure. When people say that they have some peace, it's not real peace, it's not true peace. By that small effort in that walk, it's become clear that something much more is needed to get to peace - more than an idea and more than a little effort.

Because it's not that easy,  most people will avoid it. But that means that most people live without it. And that is tragic for the world. Because what it means is that the egos are the things that basically rule everybody's life, and then we can see the terrible mess that there is in the world. All the suffering, misery, the inequalities - all of this is due to what's within. And we might have the idea of a better world, but because of the way that human nature is, it doesn't happen, the same thing repeats. The same family life, consumer life, and all of this just repeats, and people have no idea what peace is - generally not even the tiny bit that the essence is capable of perceiving.

So as you've seen, just from a 20 minute walk, it's not that easy. It requires an enormous struggle, a lot of sacrifice, and there are very few people who are actually willing to make that sacrifice, which is a very terrible shame, not only for the individuals concerned, but also for humanity, for the planet. To live a life without knowing real peace  is tragic. It's like living just a half life, living the life of an animal with an intellect. But that's the situation that the world finds itself in, and there are just a few people willing to make sacrifices in order to find peace.

Now here, we have just a short time to try to find at least something of peace. That means that each individual would need to spend a great deal of effort and energy trying to find out. Without that individual effort, it's just not going to happen. It doesn't spontaneously arise of itself, unless the being is incarnated. Then, the Being gives peace. The Being, however, is only incarnated after much struggle and much work. That underlying state of haziness that someone mentioned it a result of being fallen; it’s vital to rise up and incarnate the Being,

So, for peace, we have to put in much work and make a lot of sacrifice. But that peace, if we have it, is with us in a timeless way. If we don't have it, we're completely deficient as people. If we don't have it, we're just basically animals with a brain, running around - no more than that, destined to just die, never really having been alive in a truly worthwhile way.

So, to get out of this, a massive work is required. The mind won't give the solutions - only practice and experience will do it, because the mind is part of that animal that is governed by egos. So, if you try to find the solution in that, you get pleasure and pain and no real solution. The mind is an instrument to use, but it's not the source of peace. The emotions are not the source of peace; it is not an emotion. So, you won't get to it through an emotion. Many people think that peace is a certain emotion, but it's not at all, it's something completely different from that. It happens within the present moment, but it is something else: it's a change within the individual. It's something that comes from consciousness. It's not an emotion at all.

So looking at this walk that you just had, we can see that it's going to take a lot, even to get to a few moments; and yet, that's the goal - to find it.

Q: I always thought that this feeling of peace is something that is going to be 'wow', you know, something really distinct. But, is it simple, the sensation? It's just the sensation of peace, bliss? But the difficult part is to keep it from moment to moment? Because I can find that I'm very relaxed and I don't notice any tension, that I'm there, sort of in the moment, there is no thought, I'm in this spark of clarity; but it's a simple feeling. Is that what it is, or should I expect something more?

Belzebuub: In its incipient form, it's something simple. Whatever there is in the work, it's always very simple; but there is more to it than that. When you get it, you know it, you perceive it immediately, and it can hit you. Later on, it can be all encompassing, it can be massive, the whole world is changed. The way that we experience the world is governed by the five senses, but the Being can transform those, plus, there are other senses as well - psychic senses. When those are developed, when the Being manifests, then our whole perception of the world changes – aromas, everything. It's quite different; you live in a different world, a world that's beautiful.

It always strikes me how people come into the countryside and just talk, or play, just go around chattering. And it's obvious when someone is aware that those people are not in the countryside, really. Physically they are, but psychologically they're elsewhere. The countryside differs from the city in that it's alive; there are lots of different animals, essences, lots of different smells, not just petrol and all that stuff from the city. So the wavelength that many of the creatures are upon and the wavelength that's required to pick up on the elementals is different from the person who's going along to the countryside and just thinking, just carrying on the same old nonsense. You won't perceive anything at all if you do that - it's a complete waste. In fact, to somebody who's aware in the countryside, such people are like abominations, monstrous things, completely out of tune with nature.

You think that these old tribes are in harmony with nature, but it's not true. The ancient civilizations that we find living in nature up to the recent times have not developed their consciousness; they therefore live in a very animalistic way. That's the case in spite of many people thinking that they have this harmony with nature, people say, 'it's OK, they're not destroying it in the way that modern civilization does'. But it doesn't mean that they have a harmony within nature. That harmony within nature is a function of consciousness, of a developed consciousness;  it doesn't come just by being brought up in nature. Being brought up in nature without a developed consciousness, a person is animalistic, just as they are in a city or a town. It's just a different set of circumstances. To really be within nature, you've got to be aware and at peace. Then you can perceive the animals, the birds, and the different ways that the time of the day brings its own sense and aromas and energies and life.

But all of this is lost when people don't try to be aware in nature. If you try to be aware, you will begin to perceive the life that is all around. Living in a city, we lose that connection, because we're surrounded by concrete and noise and cars and fumes and all the rest of it. Out here, we can tune in to nature, but only if we make the effort to tune ourselves into it. If you carry on just like you've been doing in your daily life, you won't tune in, you'll just carry on thinking when you try to be aware. So try to break that chain of thoughts in the mind, try to come out of it.

Society, with it's modern, mechanical means of living, with its cars, fumes, etc. makes us very much out of tune with the natural world. It's so easy just to think, carry on thinking, reacting, and so on. Nobody notices, you don't look out of place; you just look the same as all the other millions in the same city. Just bring someone like that out here – then they're out of place.

And in fact, if you are aware, if you do manage to be quite aware while you're here, and then you go back into the city, you'll notice it's a bit jarring, a bit uncomfortable. That's because it's full of people reacting away, negative, pursuing pleasure, going through pain - that's how life goes.

So while you're here now, try to break this chain of thoughts, break out of these egos, these patterns. Do you know how to do that?

Q: Try to ground yourself in the moment, try to just whatever you see, I guess, be natural.

Belzebuub: Right, so you have to keep doing that continuously without letting up,  if you're interested in finding this thing called peace and tuning in to nature. You don't have to be in nature to find peace; you can find peace in a squalid part of the city, because that peace is within. But to find peace wherever we are, we do need this continuous effort, with the goal of finding that peace. It has to be continuous; if you let it go, you're out. You have to then try to claw back, which is very difficult. So, it requires continuous effort, continuous direction.

Q: Is it sort of a matter of being as perceptive of things as you can, which generally, like the complexity is there, but you're just trying to hold on to whatever you possibly can and then through time, through holding on to that it just develops in itself. Like eventually you just wake up an extra degree?

Belzebuub: Well, not so much the complexity part. If you just keep trying, then you make breakthroughs. If you just keep trying to be aware, you make little breakthroughs here and there. Just keep doing that, and they appear more and more. You get setbacks, and then you apply yourself to it again. Sometimes when the setback comes, it knocks you back, and you say to yourself 'oh I can't do this', but you have to just keep going. So you claw yourself back, and then keep making breakthroughs.

Q: I've had times where I've felt states say of peace, but then I lose it and can't find it again. It's like it's just the same things, what it feels like doing the same thing doesn't work anymore, something else happens. If I'm doing what I should be doing, doing what's up to the mark so to speak, should I be able to have that peace all day, even though the egos are coming in and creating problems, I should be able to have this core of peace throughout the day?

Belzebuub: No, because there isn't a permanent centre. The permanent centre comes with the Being. When there's not the permanent centre, then you always have to claw yourself back.

Also, it depends upon where we're starting from. If we're starting from a really agitated state, or a time when we've been thinking and using the mind too much, like hours and hours of studying for instance, we're then low on energies, which are needed for the psyche and the body and everything to work well. And more than that, the state itself is not very clear, it's a mess.

Usually that's the way it all starts when we try to work. It's like a mess, a mix-up of energies. So we're working to clear that. You come out of it a bit, with a bit of effort, and then before you know it, there's an ego or a thought or the slightest thing and its back into the mess. But if you keep going, you find yourself getting clearer and starting to just understand how this thing works better. But you shouldn't expect to be clear all the time.

To do that, it takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and it's really an alchemical process. It has to do with alchemy, where the energies themselves get cleaned and the various bodies are built so that the Being can be incarnated. When that happens, then the psyche gets transformed. Before that, there's a process of cleaning to do. So when you're being aware, you're actually cleaning and stabilizing the psyche, destroying the egos with the practice of the death, and then in the alchemy, destroying them and building the bodies. And so in this way, it's transforming the psyche.

You start with the basic essence (the basic consciousness) and the mass of egos. In the beginning, the fight is that tiny consciousness against this mass of egos. When we're not conscious, we're in egos. So the consciousness is the real you, the real person. The egos are just temporary things; they're not the real you. So, you have to fight and search to get that peace inside, from the consciousness. The egos are not permanent. They're not the consciousness. So fight to be in that consciousness: that's the point to do this whole work from.

The more we practice, the more we exercise it, the clearer it gets. Then, we transform it with alchemy. But the point of investigation is consciousness, the real you, the real person. The egos are not the real person, they're temporary things.

Ok, we'll finish here and we'll go back out for another walk and try again.

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