Q: What’s meant when we talk about self-knowledge? I mean I myself, I know what I look like and I know what makes me angry and unhappy – is that what we talk about when we mean self-knowledge?
Belzebuub: Well, knowing that you’re angry or what makes you unhappy is a stage of it, it’s something, but there’s much more to it than that, because it’s got a depth that really doesn’t have a limit. What we can learn about ourselves is limitless.
Q: Seems odd that I would have no limits, is that - just on a human level there must be a limit to my self?
Belzebuub: No, because what we perceive as human is, it’s really much more than that. Certainly, as human beings, yes, there are limits. But, with self-knowledge, we can know ourselves so much, that we can change from human beings into spiritual beings. And it’s from that point on that the knowledge becomes limitless.
Q: How does one change if someone is becoming, as you say, a spiritual being? What does that feel like? No, strike that question, it’s a silly question…
Belzebuub: No, I can answer that.
Q: Ok.
Belzebuub: When we start the spiritual work, we start with the whole range of emotions and feelings that everybody has. We may be under the illusion that we’re unique, but we’re not - we’re just another person just like anybody else.
And, people are forms of animals with an intellect. So, there are all these different animal drives, which at their certain times in life, kick in. So, when we’re teenagers then, puberty starts, or a just a bit before it, and we reproduce, we bring up offspring, and die, and this whole process just goes on and on and on. And, no matter how brilliant we may think or bad or whatever we think of ourselves, we stay in this process, it just repeats and a new generation comes up all the time. So, we begin as creatures, people that are part of this program of nature.
However, when we begin to observe ourselves, we begin to see that program, and that is a fundamental step away from the animal kingdom, because an animal can’t see itself; it can’t realize the state that it’s in. Whereas we people have the tools, which the animals don’t, to be able to see what’s going on inside of us. With this inner observation, seeing ourselves as we are, then we can change it, and, we can stop being so animalistic; we can stop being so brutal, greedy, selfish, and all that - because it’s the animal instincts which are at the root of it all. No matter how much we think that we should change government or whatever, or society, it won’t fundamentally change unless individuals change, because society is really the product of the individuals within it. So, if we can change, then our external world, our external life changes too.
But it takes more than simple observation in order to change spiritually - we also need to transform our energies with Alchemy. No one can really transform themselves simply by meditating, or studying, or concentrating; it doesn’t work, there is no creative process in there. To fundamentally change, we need that creative process, the Alchemical process. This is mentioned in the different religions of the world, but it’s given symbolic names. With that process, we transform what we are into something spiritual, by building the parts, building the bodies in the different dimensions, which then allow the spiritual, the divine, to be incarnated within us.
If you can sort of get a picture of this Being, which leaves creation, and a little part of this Being comes into the earth, and enters its evolution. This we call consciousness, or essence. This consciousness, then, evolves and becomes ever-more complex, until it reaches a state of human. When it reaches that state, it has the ability to transform itself from a human into a Divine Being, into an angel. Or, it just carries on being like an animal, and stays within the world of animals. But the rest of the Being is in spiritual dimensions, in spiritual places, and that Being gets incarnated stage-by-stage. It goes back to that consciousness and joins with it, stage-by-stage.
So, at first we just have this bare consciousness, which has its limitations. We can feel a certain amount of inner peace with it, but it’s limited. If we progress enough spiritually, we go through the different tests and trials of life, and we practise Alchemy, we change and transform our energies, then at a point, a part of the Being merges with us. That’s when we get or gain the Soul. We call that part of the Being the Soul. And that brings us the first feelings of real peace. It’s in its most basic form, but it feels something like you can feel or perceive when you see a baby just sleeping, or just awaking from sleep - you’ve got that gentle peacefulness. That’s the first thing that we feel when the Soul is incarnated. If we continue, then we can incarnate the Spirit - that gives a greater feeling of peace. If we continue even further, then we can incarnate more spiritual principles. The more that we incarnate, the more that comes into us, the greater then are the spiritual feelings that we have: the capacity for love, the capacity for inner peace, and so on.
Only when we have the Being incarnated can we really feel inner peace. Before then, we have just an incipient hint of it, because what dominates us, are these animal drives, and they’re not really peaceful. We can imagine peace, we can talk about inner peace, but that’s not it. When the real thing arrives, we don’t have to think about it. We can be thinking about something completely different, and when it arrives it’s there, and it becomes part of us, just as an emotion becomes part of us - except that it’s permanent, and it’s with our consciousness.
In the beginning, the animal drives take its power away, take its force away. So, if we feel some anger or whatever, then that can take away those emanations of the Being, that peace. But as we progress, and more of the Being is incarnated, more spiritual parts are incarnated, then, it gets stronger and stronger. And then it’s felt not only as a spiritual presence which stays, but as an overwhelming power, which takes over our five senses and transforms them. And in that state, we feel bliss and ecstasy just being alive.
But, it’s not permanent - I mean completely permanent - because the drives can still exist. But as we go on from there, then, we make that permanent within us; then, it becomes a continuous state. That’s when we say that someone has reached the Absolute. That’s when all of the parts of that Being, which came out from creation, are within the human being. And that’s when we merge with the Divine, and we enter the Absolute.
This is a long process, and many, many people can talk and say they know about spiritual things, they’ve felt peace, and so on, but unless someone has the Being incarnated, they have no idea of what real peace is about. It’s something quite different than what anyone imagines, because no one, unless they have the Being, has experienced it. Imagination comes from human experience. It’s beyond that human experience, and therefore, it’s beyond the imagination. And then, people are being misled, so I want to put things as they are, so that people can understand what they need to do in order to reach real spirituality. Not something imagined, but something that’s real and actually takes place as an inner transformation within us.
Q: It seems to be that as you move along, there will be parts that you don’t understand or parts that you have to figure out for yourself, that can’t be simply explained – is that right?
Belzebuub: There are always things beyond our experience; but, we have to know what we have experienced and be able to stand on that – that is our foundation, that’s our basis. The information only leads us to search; it only leads us to our own personal search. What we know about Gnosis, or about spirituality, is exactly what we’ve experienced. We must be able to differentiate between the two, so that spirituality doesn’t become another fantasy world for us.
If we are aware of what’s real, what we have experienced, then we can stand on that, because that’s really what our life is – what we experience of it. At death, we go with our own life; no one else is around us to go through it with us. And we have to take with us what we have done, what we’ve experienced. However large or small that is, that is what prepares us for death, that’s what we take with us beyond death: what we’ve done, what we’ve experienced, and what we are.
So it makes sense to gain experience, to change what we are, so that we have the things within us, which then give us life after death, and we can die knowing where we are going. And, we can change the fate of where we go after death as well.